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Sunarep · **Joined:** Sat Feb 07, 2009 10:07 am **Posts:** 476

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Using a time paradox as explanation why they can't kill each other would be serious awesome

theslime · **Joined:** Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:34 am **Posts:** 446

So what do you think of the latest episode? I liked it a lot, actually.

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Possibly the best Jack-centric episode since the season 3 finale (which is probably the best episode of the series, so it's not a fair comparison anyway). That his intensity scared his son was very believable, and I think the writers really played to Fox's strengths there. Jack IS intense to a borderline creepy extent, (a lot of it's due to Fox's good acting) and I could really relate to him as intense but well-meaning parent, the first time I've related to Jack in years.

I think either Gabriela - her surname Busoni is also the name of an Italian composer/pianist! - or Juliet is David's mother. If it had been Sarah they would have told us in the episode, not kept it a secret. It was cool to see Dogen in LA too, and out of his samurai-mode.

On the island, Hugo stole the show (as always). They even snuck the "Hurley theme" in there - usually reserved for off-island Hurley scenes - which is my favourite Lost theme. Mysterious and funny at the same time. Jacob and Hurley are great together, for some strange reason.

AND I LOVE KILLER CLAIRE!!

Heinrich · **Posted:** Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:18 am

that´s mostly what i think about that episode too. And i noticed that theme thing too.

Somebody on tv.com labeled that episode as a filler. can you believe that? i mean we watch a show for over five years and there were never answers without a pile of new questions. what were they supposed to do? reveal all kinds of shit in 18 episodes?

if they construct it cleverly (which they will do!) we get the huge things in the last four episodes...

i love that show. unlike other tv entertainment it never disappoints me...

nOmArch · **Posted:** Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:42 am

yep, absolutely brilliant episode! definitely the best one of the season for me so far, and its been a strong season.

T-HOPE · **Posted:** Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:05 pm

Somehow the alternate timeline stuff doesn't interest me. I'm more interested in the currect timeline on the island stuff with Jacob and false Locke.

theslime · **Joined:** Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:34 am **Posts:** 446

I have a hard time seeing what's filler about it. If anything, there's been too little filler and too much PURPOSE this season. I've been rewatching seasons three and four recently, and I was surprised to see that the filler plots of season three - e.g. Sawyer's and Hurley's ping pong tournament - were some of my favourites. Since the end of the third season there has hardly been a filler plot, only non-stop action, and in some cases I've missed those nice character moments.

Filler is

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building up Crazy-Claire for weeks before she kills someone. Now we barely see her before she kills someone like with an axe.

I'm still on the fence about the alternate timeline. It feels a bit... irrelevant. On the other hand, the scenes themselves have mostly been amazingly good. Kate, the marshal and Claire (and Ethan!) were good; Locke and Helen (and Rose and Hugo) were great; Jack has been great (Fox's deja-vu-from-hell acting on the plane was amazing); I even laughed at Arzt and Frogurt - "Hey, I'm WALKING here!" and "There's a... LINE" were genuinely funny.

I hope it will make sense later on. I don't think the sideways-flashes will be here all season anyway.

T-HOPE · **Posted:** Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:02 pm

theslime wrote:

I'm still on the fence about the alternate timeline. It feels a bit... irrelevant. On the other hand, the scenes themselves have mostly been amazingly good. Kate, the marshal and Claire (and Ethan!) were good; Locke and Helen (and Rose and Hugo) were great; Jack has been great (Fox's deja-vu-from-hell acting on the plane was amazing); I even laughed at Arzt and Frogurt - "Hey, I'm WALKING here!" and "There's a... LINE" were genuinely funny.

I hope it will make sense later on. I don't think the sideways-flashes will be here all season anyway.

Rumour is that this alternate timeline will merge together with the existing timeline...

thunderclap · **Joined:** Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:58 am **Posts:** 504

I've never been disappointed with Lost. Even the occasional "bad" episode is better then the majority of crap on tv.

I do like how Claire has become the new Rousseau. Crazy, in search of her child... brilliant. So was Rousseau also poisoned as we're told Claire is?

zeppelinrox · **Joined:** Fri Feb 06, 2009 3:35 pm **Posts:** 920

T-HOPE wrote:

theslime wrote:

Rumour is that this alternate timeline will merge together with the existing timeline...

I didn't know about the rumour but I was thinking the same thing while watching this latest episode.
What made me think this is that the audio has some kind of reverb effect when switching between timelines.
Usually, that sound effect is smooth.

Also, since Jack doesn't "remember" certain things (his appendix removal, how long his son has played the piano), I figure that it's an incomplete/temporary world.

I don't really like this crazy Claire. I like that she's a badass but she is pretty stupid.
She left baby Aaron ALONE in the jungle, Kate saves and cares for the baby, and Claire would kill Kate for "taking" him?

nOmArch · **Posted:** Thu Feb 25, 2010 7:04 pm

zeppelinrox wrote:

I don't really like this crazy Claire. I like that she's a badass but she is pretty stupid.
She left baby Aaron ALONE in the jungle, Kate saves and cares for the baby, and Claire would kill Kate for "taking" him?

dont forget she been alone for 3 years with just Pseudo-Lock for company, i imagine the inside of her head is pretty screwy by now...

theslime · **Joined:** Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:34 am **Posts:** 446

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I believe Claire's behaviour is the way it is - murderous, irrational, batshit crazy - to narratively differentiate her from Danielle. People have been saying ZOMG THIS MUST MEAN ROUSSEAU WAS INFECTED THE WHOLE TIME!!! since crazy-Claire showed up two weeks ago, and I just don't see it. Aaron was left by Claire in the middle of the jungle. Alexandra, on the other hand, was stolen from Danielle by Ben and Ethan. Danielle killed other insane people in self-defence (her boyfriend was actually about to kill his pregnant girlfriend, lest you forget), while Claire murders unarmed people who hasn't harmed her or her baby. They're worlds apart.

Oh, and Zeprox, I didn't say they'd merge. There's something screwy with your quotes. (I kinda believe so too, though.)

daveytod · **Joined:** Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:10 am **Posts:** 223

From my facebook status:

Dear LOST....it's been a long journey and I've been there since the beginning. 6 long years and I've loved every second. Smoke monsters, hatches, sonic fences, rings of ash, 108 different type of 'Others', time travel, donkey wheels, polar bears, walking cripples, lists, ghosts, I've loved it all but now, seriously, enough is enough! WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON????

theslime · **Joined:** Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:34 am **Posts:** 446

Seriously? There's been more explanation these last few episodes than in most of the series combined. For instance, Cuse and Lindelof had basically said that we would not learn the significance of the numbers. But we did. Also, we've learned what the monster is, who Jacob is, who inhabit the temple, what happened to Claire - etc etc.

If you're talking about the alternate timeline, I admit that that one's a puzzler right now, but I think it will make sense soon enough. Give it a few more episodes.

Sunarep · **Joined:** Sat Feb 07, 2009 10:07 am **Posts:** 476

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wow... Lighthouse -> they make shit up as they go along
seriously the appearance of a giant tower on the island is even more baffling to me than the mysterious second island in season 3 that nobody saw before - and in the episode it's like the authors are aware of how illogical this is that they even bother with some mysterious "maybe we didn't look for it" -line, oh now i get it, everything that hasn't made sense in lost before was either: smoke monster, some other fraction of the others or they didn't look for it... right.

then again the episode itself was kinda cool, so whatever

theslime · **Joined:** Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:34 am **Posts:** 446

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I disagree. The line about not looking for it may sound cheap, but lines like that have been part of the series since the beginning. Now Hugo has taken over Locke's place, that's all. What's more ridiculous, using inscriptions on Mr. Eko's Jesus stick to find the Barracks, or "not looking for" a lighthouse on the other end of a pretty big island? (It's a draw, I guess...) We know that Jacob didn't live all in one place (since Ilana identified the cabin as his) and the cave is still a mystery.

The other island doesn't bother me either. It's obviously on the other side of the island from where they crashed, and the only people who reasonably should know where it was would be Sayid, Jin and Sun after their boat trip (when they also saw the foot of the statue).

Oh, well.

T-HOPE · **Posted:** Tue Mar 02, 2010 2:39 pm

New episode tonight. Can't wait to see it tomorrow evening.
Looks like

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Sayid will attack Dogen and Dogen will easily put him down

if I saw it correctly in the promo.

elbarto1 · **Joined:** Fri Aug 29, 2008 8:04 pm **Posts:** 3080

I liked last nights episode the best so far.

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Probably because I loved seeing that hairlipped prick mercenary get capped again!
I really hope there isnt a happy turn of events after this episode.

thunderclap · **Joined:** Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:58 am **Posts:** 504

Even thigh I really don't know where they are headed I felt like I did prior to last nights episode. But now I'm clueless.

Sunarep · **Joined:** Sat Feb 07, 2009 10:07 am **Posts:** 476

AWESOME EPISODE!

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Great Sayid episode - i lost hope in his character during Season 5 thought he has run himself dead but now he's one of the most interesting
Flocke is great - I'm really convinced he's the good guy or at least the only one who will give us some answers, he's just more charismatic than those "uh we're mysterious ninjas" guys
which brings me to the best thing of the episode: No more temple, no more ninjas, no more samurai leader - awesome, this episode was like a bugfix that corrected everything i hated about the season's start, now lost can really start it's final round

Claire is a great maniac and it seems like the actress is having some fun with her

btw anyone else been kinda surprised when sun showed up? her arc has been so bland for me since season 5 that i didn't even notice she was on the show

theslime · **Joined:** Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:34 am **Posts:** 446

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I kinda agree. I think the Temple story has been strangely unresolved and uninvolving at the same time, even though there were some great things in the premiere, like the mysterious nature of the spring etc, but it never really came to any fruition whatsoever. So I think I agree. Dogen was cool, but he won't be missed.

I agree about the acting. It's extremely solid. I thought Emilie de Ravin was a mediocre actress, but obviously it's just normal acting she can't do. Give her insanity, and she knocks it out of the park. O'Quinn is always good, but his intense glare scared the shit out of me in the premiere. How could the warm smile of John Locke turn that bad? And now Naveen Andrews joined the club. I like how he scared the daylights out of Ben (where did Ben go, btw?). Those people will save worse scripts than what's been written so far.

I liked the director touches this episode too. The slo-mo didn't even feel forced (I usually loathe slo-mo with a passion). But Bobby Roth is one of the better directors (he did one of my top 5, "The Man behind the Curtain" from season 3, the Ben shoots Locke/meets invisible Jacob/purges the Dharma Initiative episode) of the series.

Sunarep · **Joined:** Sat Feb 07, 2009 10:07 am **Posts:** 476

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the problem now is that the bad guys are WAAAAAYY to awesome:

you have John Locke being combined with Smokey as ultra-templedestroying leader
Sawyer as the guy with nothing to loose
Sayid as the badass assassin who has the balls to shoot the bad guys instead of waiting for a second chance
Insanity Claire!

the other side seems pretty uninvolving, so if it weren't for Hurley I'd be totally rooting for Flocke

T-HOPE · **Posted:** Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:42 am

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I thought last night's episode was very dark and depressive. Sayid not carying about anything anymore and killing Dogen and Lenon. Then saying that there's no more time for him.
I had expected Flocke to kill Sayid to bring him to his Nadia after Sayid had done his job, so he could meet her in heaven.

The slomo-walk of Sayid and Claire between those bodies was very good and dark. And then Flocke with his bad ass look, and a hint of surprise when he saw Kate. If I remember correctly, Kate wasn't on his list in the cave. But I'm not sure about that. So perhaps Flocke realizes the list in his case might be different then Jacob's...?

In previous episode Claire told Jin she would kill Kate if she had taken Aeron. I was wondering why she didn't kill Kate or so after Kate told her she had taken Aeron off the island.

I am wondering what we're going to get. Looks indeed like war.

Hurley/Jack vs. the rest?
Kate walked after John (it's still unsure which side she will chose).
Jin is still in the blue which side he is (we didn't see him in this episode).
I wonder where Sawyer was during Flocke's attack.

Also a brief appearance about Sun. I'm wondering if she's Jacob's candidate or is it Jin?

Nice to see Martin Keamy again. :-)

T-HOPE · **Posted:** Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:10 am

I was wondering 1 more thing.

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Flocke couldn't cross the circle of ash so he send in Claire. Why didn't he let Claire remove the ash so the circle was broken and he could enter?
Or was there more relation between Dogen and the ash?

white43 · **Posted:** Thu Mar 04, 2010 12:38 pm

I'm not really enjoying the Flashsideways.

theslime · **Joined:** Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:34 am **Posts:** 446

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The circle of ash/Dogen connection confused the hell out of me. Did Claire break the circle or could Flocke/Smocke/Esau cross the circle if Dogen was killed? Or did he need both things to happen? I'm pretty sure I had it figured out before, but in this episode I didn't understand it at all.

T-HOPE · **Posted:** Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:03 pm

theslime wrote:

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The circle of ash/Dogen connection confused the hell out of me. Did Claire break the circle or could Flocke/Smocke/Esau cross the circle if Dogen was killed? Or did he need both things to happen? I'm pretty sure I had it figured out before, but in this episode I didn't understand it at all.

Like I posted above, I lost the logic about it too.

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theslime · **Joined:** Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:34 am **Posts:** 446

Good to know I'm not alone.

(I forgot the spoiler tags, btw. Could you edit your reply too?)

T-HOPE · **Posted:** Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:21 pm

theslime wrote:

Good to know I'm not alone.

(I forgot the spoiler tags, btw. Could you edit your reply too?)

done.

Sunarep · **Joined:** Sat Feb 07, 2009 10:07 am **Posts:** 476

how awesome was this episode?

I mean Michael Emmerson has always saved Lost, but boy am I enjoying this season right now

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Everything is back on track and it suddenly made sense:

The Temple was a construct where writers were abandoned to create character nobody would give a f!ck about and come up with the most unnecessary episode-fillers, last episode represented redemption, by destroying the temple lost symbolically got rid of useless plotlines and got saved back on track

Richard Alpert now represents the audience, having lost all hope that Jacob (the writers) have a plan and like me was ready to end this lost-business but like Alpert the audience got redemption and a sense that it might actually.... make some sense...

Heinrich · **Posted:** Thu Mar 11, 2010 7:54 am

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alpert=audience/jacob=writers.

lol. that is by far the most radical theory on lost. great. :-)

besides that i like the way they go. that last scene on the beach gave me that warm back-to-season-1-melancholy-feeling in my belly.

and - i know lost is not the tv show where you can say i knew this or that would happen but i knew (i mean i kind of was hoping for) the person coming to the island would be widmore.

oh and michael emmerson never had to save lost in any way. but he surely is a damn good actor and he proved it once more. and nestor carbonell shows that he´s a good actor as well. this broken voice thing he did to show that the knowledge about his life being useless broke his spirit was nice.

i fucking love that show